Emerging Pensees
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Why I'm a "Progressive" I tend to agree with progressives 95% in goals, but they have an (unfortunate in my view) tendency to (1) support a long, drawn out struggle of indivudals organized collectively against a gov./bus. alliance trying to conserve powers in the hands of an elite political class, leading to an eventual victory, followed by (2) ceding the power in even greater doses back to the same people who created the original problems. (And then a generation passes, and a new group of progressives fights the same fight against the new power structure that the previous generation of progressives created.) As a (very non-conservative) libertarian, I'd love to see the first step without the second. BCE "It's still imperialistic to refer to the past 2000 years as a "common era" for anyone who is not actually a Christian."

Good grief, grow up and fight the battles worth fighintg. Imperialistic? Is it possible to read too much into something? It's this type of apathy that paints the EM as a bunch of cultured elitists who are repeatedly looking to be seen as "progressive" by cultural elites and academics.

All that to say, "Who cares?"

If you're position is true, then we might as well re-designate and denounce the entire calendar and role of Christianity's influence on western civilization for fear of being "insensitive." So, in the spirit of such nonsense, I must confess that hospitals, schools, pregnancy centers, homeless shelters, are just to "imperialistic." We should do away with those, because such institutions are just too offensive for the common good.
I'm not "fighting" any "battles" here Andrew. Just making an observation. As someone who is working on a PhD in history, this is a something that I have to consider on a regular basis.

As for motivations, I have no idea why you think you have the ability to speculate about mine, but I assure you it has nothing to do with "image" and everything to do with my Christian commitment to love the Other. I would rather be overly sensitive towards the concerns of non-Christians, then to not even think at all about how our language and terminology might come across to them. It's not about being "progressive" or "politically correct"; it's about love. And when it comes to that, I want to err on the side of too much rather than not enough.
brilliant insight, mike! Welcome to the Future two words: darrell scott. The Good Old Days? Yes indeed! I'm reminded of Cotton Mather's (and other Puritans') (mis)definition of "liberty" as "freedom from sin." The 'good old days' is often just a thin veil over an authoritarian nightmare; conversely, the price of freedom (besides eternal vigilance) is realizing that other people may make decisions we disapprove of.

And, as I overheard a couple of days back, "July 4, 1776 was Independence Day, unless you were black or female."
Thanks for mentioning that Miko. I didn't quite bring out that authoritarian vs. freedom angle, but I had meant to. You're exactly right. The "good old days" are often perceived as a time when everyone still shared a common set of beliefs or values, but what this really means is that those who thought differently were repressed and persecuted (whether through authoritarian governmental policies or simple social pressure). That's not a time I want to go back to. There's a lot of truth in what you say Mike, and I want to affirm that. Sin isn't a recent thing; there's nothing new under the sun, our ancestors were just as sinful as we are, and we tend to whitewash the past.

At the same time, there ARE changes in the culture. Maybe we aren't more sinful in the aggregate, but there are changes and not all of them are good - though you point out some good ones like more freedom for more people.

One example that comes quickly to mind because of my profession is the need for written contracts for just about everything. I used to represent contractors and subcontractors in the construction industry. Virtually all of the older individuals remembered a day when a written contract was unheard of for all except the largest jobs. They'd quote a price (that they would pay someone for materials or work, or that they were to be paid for the work or materials they supplied), the work was done and the payment made. If unforseen circumstances arose that changed the price they were discussed and people agreed on a reasonable solution. Things were done "on a word and a handshake" and everyone had a sense that "a person's word was his or her bond" - and in most communities you wouldn't last long in business if people knew you didn't keep your word.

Now, if they try to do business that way they get taken advantage of right and left, both by their materials suppliers and by the customers who they are building for. So everything has to be spelled out in detail, every last contingency addressed in the contract, everyone is looking for a loophole, nobody trusts anyone, everyone is less happy and satisfied, and only the lawyers prosper.

That's anecdotal and I know *some* of that has gone on in every generation, but I think it's increase represents a real cultural shift. And it isn't generally for the better. And it's just one of many. Even if there were other, bad, things about the "old days." And even if some of the shifts ARE for the better.
Of course Karl. My point wasn't that these days are universally better than the past, just that it's always been a mixed bag, and I wouldn't necessarily trade today's problems for yesterday's. Yes, between naive nostalgia for the past and equally naive bashing of the past, lies a healthy balance.

"Because they were so sinful (racist, sexist, opressive) they have nothing to say to me and those who think of them fondly are fools" misses the mark just as much as does longing for an unqualified return to the good old days - and is just as prevalent and damaging an attitude, albeit among a different subset of the population. Our elders and ancestors have a lot to teach us even if they got many things wrong too. Democracy of the dead and all that.

In my experience many people who inartfully express a longing for the good old days, really are wanting a return to the things that the past DID (usually) do better than we (usually) do them now - not wishing for a return to the bad parts. Just like many of the people whose voices are mostly heard decrying how bad the old days were, aren't really saying that the old days were worse than present times in every single respect. Sure, there's probably some naivete' in many on both sides. Listening charitably to each other gets us a long ways in relationship though, I think.
I agree, though quite honestly, I know an awful lot of people who aren't just neglecting the bad parts of the past, they are completely ignorant of them, or even willfully denying them. I know there are such people, many of them even. I'd say a couple things about that.

First, there aren't many who are unaware that slavery existed, or segregation, or that women were denied the right to vote. And few if any would advocate a return to those injustices. So I'd push back that most of even the naive ones have an awareness of some of the most egregious errors of the past and aren't wishing for a return to those. But yeah, there are those who don't get that the shiny happy 50's family and a virtually sin-free society are myths that were rarely if ever realized in reality, at least not behind closed doors.

I'd add (not that two wrongs make a right but to balance the discussion), that in my experience there is a different but quite vocal and fairly numerous subset of the population that seems to err in the opposite direction. Having had the "good old days" myth burst for them in college or elsewhere, they are so bitter toward the past or put off by its sins, that they seem to be completely ignorant or wilfully in denial of the things that the past DID do better than the present, on average. Or they can't speak of those things without in the same breath pointing out all the evils that existed at the same time. Judging the people of the past by present knowledge and standards, they miss a lot of nuance and things worthy of praise because all they can see are the sins. Kind of like people who can see no good in the present day because of the particular sins common to this age, place and time. We do need a third way.
Emergent Ouliers Virtual Cohort Hey Mike. Thanks for the link. And thanks for sparking the initial conversation! That sounds like a fantastic project and I wish it lots of luck. In fact, I'm surprised that something like this didn't sprung up long ago: the Emergent movement is the perfect example of a decentralized bottom-up community that can flourish using these sorts of technologies. My Facebook Profile Articles by Julie Where In the World is the Church Emerging? This is a great start. Thanks so much for listening to our thoughts and putting the map together. Very cool. Wow, what a great resource! Thanks for putting this together. cool map mike. thanks! "no gatekeepers or approval system, though those of us in the cohort network will help make sure it stays free of trolls"

lol

How emergent of you!
Has Emergent Failed? You thought this iteration of "death of Emergent" was one of the better ones? I thought it was petulant and poorly edited.

I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, though. What in particular do you see as worthwhile in it?
Well, I thought Nick's post, and his follow-up comments especially, were fairly humble and heartfelt. I also appreciated it because it was by someone who genuinely wants to see Emergent succeed, not someone who was merely trashing the label (a la Andrew Jones), nor someone who was dancing on its grave and bragging that they predicted the failure of us heretics, nor that most annoying variety - the "hipper-than-thou" "post-emergent" types who think things like Emergent Village were just "sooo 2005". In contrast to those, I thought Nick's was pretty good. I mostly disagreed with him, as I said, but that's besides the point. Why is the thought out there to shut things down? Is that the impression I have given? I'm far from that. I'm more about being a part of something that brings the beauty of the conversation back.

I think it goes back to the gap between some of us in the converstation. Some want to express it in a church, while others (like me) want nothing to do with it in that context. That is what I was trying to show. However, coming back to the conversation, as I have said else where, I keeping having "WTH!!!" moments.

I don't think emergent should die as much as the label. ;) That is half joke and half serious. Ok, I'm in trouble now. I have one more day of vaK with my someone special. Check in later!
Oh forgot, I'm actually looking to be at C21! The reason I want to be there is not only inclusion of women, but of one speaker I never thought I would see. :) Jules- no, I didn't necessarily get that impression from you. I had other comments and past posts in mind where people have been more explicit about saying we should just shut EV down. (In fact, even a few of the folks at the recent EVDC09 Gathering were of that opinion, from what Julie told me anyway - and those were folks who were called together to help lead EV into the future!)

Anyhow, I can totally sympathize with the anti-IC folks like yourself that are not interested in being part of a formal church anymore. And I think that's a totally valid option. However, I personally prefer a both/and approach on this. Some people are called to leave the IC and others are called to reform it from within. Both are good and necessary IMHO. What always bugged me over at theOoze though (not from you, but from others) was the militancy of some of the anti-ICers who would just trash those of us who didn't want to just pack up and leave, or who didn't think structure, organization, and leadership (not to mention publishing and conferences) were all bad. Again I like a both/and approach. That's why I really resonate with the second of EV's values - the "Commitment to the Church in all its forms".
I don't know about "Emergent" (referring to the particular Emerging Village community, but the emerging movement is alive and well, to judge by what happened at the Amahoro gathering here this week. What to do about Rural Emergents? Hmm... how to be a hipster in the hinterlands...

(Sorry. Too early for serious thought, but never too early for bad alliteration!)
Mike,

I realize there may be technological limitations as well as geographical ones, but one idea might be to coordinate a monthly online videocohort using a free online videoconference service like Tinychat or Tokbox. Someone would have to coordinate it and "make it happen," and getting people's schedules from all over the country to line up would certainly be more difficult, but that's one possible solution.

Shalom,
Steve K.
I hear people's critiques that EV is acting as a proxy for book publishing, and I have felt some sympathy for this position at times. But the more I talk to folks who are interested in emergence Christianity, the more I see the value of books. They're not nearly as good as talking to real people in real time and space, but they provide a nice entry point and thought-provoker for people who want to explore more. Blake Huggins was also throwing around the idea of an e-cohort. It's certainly no substitute for face to face interactions, but having felt like the only emergent around before, I would have loved even having that interaction.

On the other hand, I think that we (emergents) aren't doing quite as good of a job of networking as we think we are. I was surprised to find a rather rural emergent community thriving in what I had assumed was a fairly homogeneous conservative area. Perhaps we find some way to better network communities (beyond just cohorts).
It is hard enough connecting in cities. I've been in Chicago for two years, and aside from the few suburban events I attended when I was working in the suburbs, it has been impossible to connect with anyone. The only inside-city-limits group that meets is clear on the other side of the city, over an hour on public transit.

I refuse to believe I'm the only one on the entire south side of Chicago who's interested, but can't seem to make any connections.

In anticipation of the move to Houston I've been trying to contact all the people listed as the Emergent Houston cohort and haven't received a single response.

Again, it cannot be possible that I'm the only person in Houston interested, but can't seem to make any connections. (The one I did make just moved -out- of Houston).

I think feeding people into and creating new cohorts has to be one of the key roles for EV and right now it seems like a real struggle to manage even without the problems of rural distances.

Maybe my situation is completely singular and most people hook up in city settings really easily, but I can't imagine trying to work this out when you don't have population density on your side.
You've hit an important issue for me... Online conversation is valuable and certainly has its place, but it is not the same as in person conversation.

I routinely drive 1+ hours for denominational meetings without complaint as do many, many rural folks. What's needed, it seems to me, is better communication. I often drive through small towns on my way to a meeting somewhere and ask myself, "I wonder if there's anyone in this town who thinks like I do?" If there were an interactive map somewhere of people interested in a regional cohort of sorts, perhaps something more could happen...
Great thoughts so far guys. Keep talking. I'm interested in all of these ideas.

BTW, Jim mentioned that it would take him an hour on public transit to reach the downtown Chicago cohort, and Jeff pointed out that rural folks are often accustomed to driving an hour to get places sometimes. Putting both of those together it occurs to me that perhaps we just need to expect/encourage people to invest a little more time and effort into getting to cohort gatherings. If you're hungry for it, is an hour or two drive every month or so too much to ask? The last few years I was in Chicago I had to drive about an hour each way to get to the cohort I led. Since it was important to me, it wasn't really a big deal.

Though if that's too much to ask of people on a monthly basis, perhaps rural cohorts could try meeting more infrequently. Would folks be willing to drive an hour each way if it was only every 2 or 3 months?
There is a difference between an hour long rural drive, and an hour long urban drive. One has a constant flow (usually above 55mph), and the other is lucky to be above 20mpg. One may have nice scenery, while the other consists of buildings, on/off ramps, and more buildings. One usually has more frequent encounters of road rage, while the other is lucky to encounter up to 10 fellow travelers.

I've lived in both areas, made both trips. I've driven the hour to see a concert, from a rural setting. I've also commuted an hour to work (13 miles) through Houston when I worked in the hospital district. An hour in the city is worse than an hour in the country, imo.

Concerning Rural cohorts, communication can really be the key. However, it takes more from the individual to seek out like minded others. You can only do so much for them, and their success (at finding others) isn't up to you. Part of our generation (35 and under) are used to saying "gimme, gimme, gimme." Well, some times it just can't be done for you.

Tim Dahl
I think Steve K.'s idea about online cohorting would be helpful. Obviously, it might not be the optimal solution, but it least it helps connect people in some way.

I like the interactive map idea, too.
That would be a great way to find out if there are any cohorts or even individuals nearby. Given, of course, the obvious privacy/safety issues, it could still be a good resource.
I agree with Tim Dahl's comments about initiative. If the cohorts are to have any vitality at all, we need to find a way to empower/prod/provoke people to grab the reigns and *make* something happen. I understand and applaud the humility that leads one to look for an existing group, but I hear too much complaining/critiquing the absence of and/or insufficiency of the cohorts. If emergence be emergence at all, it will require than individual agents of this emergence take action and create some conversational space for themselves. I think the work that Mike Clawson and others do is important, but it's limited and needs to be supplemented by a firm and gentle invitation to inquirers that they get in the game themselves. To not do so is to deprive the larger group of the insights of those looking to participate. Just to clarify (Tim & Mike), what I do when someone contacts EV about starting a new cohort is simply give them a list of advice about things they can do to try to find others near them, and, if anyone else from their area has contacted us, I pass those names along. That's pretty much it. I'm not "doing it for them". It's entirely up to them to put in the effort to actually look for others and start meeting.

The problem is that the advice I give about how to find other people works okay for urban/suburban areas, but not so great for rural areas. Rural areas don't (usually) have nearby colleges they can advertise at, or big ministry conferences/events nearby, emergent-friendly churches in the area, or even a suitable local hang-out spot (coffee shop, etc.) Nor are they likely to turn up many others through the various web searches we recommend.

As for the video-cohort idea, I'm not sure. First off, some rural areas don't even have decent internet service to make this possible. Secondly, most people who contact us have already connected to the conversation "virtually" (through blogs or whatever). What they're hungry for is face to face contact.

I'm thinking that regional events can help somewhat. We need more stuff like the Midwest Emergent Gathering we did in Chicago a few summers ago, or McLaren's book tour last year. Those can serve as a draw for people from all over a region, and give rural folks a place for the face-to-face connections, even if they only happen once or twice a year. I wonder if there's more we can do to actively encourage/equip local cohorts to put on these sorts of events. For instance I know my wife and I are wanting to put on several events in various cities next summer related to her forthcoming book that can hopefully also serve as regional Emergent Gatherings, and we'll definitely be getting the cohorts involved in those.
Hey there's also a rural emergent blog that just started, I think Steve Knight referred me to it....

http://birdslanding.blogspot.com/2009/03/our-hyphenated-is-ruralmergent.html
Very cool Jeff. I'll see if they want to be listed at the EV site. Thanks for the clarification, Mike. I'm glad to hear that you're giving inquirers a friendly greeting and a firm push to engage themselves in the conversation. I must be reacting against more fickle folks who seem to sit back and insist that some vague *someone*, somewhere, start new cohorts and/or improve the ones already in place. Sorry to point my frustration toward you. Please accept my apologies.

And Jeff's link reminded me-- a person who lived in a rural area myself-- of the potential imposition of one's friends and neighbors. You might call this 'nosiness', but it is much more than a small irritation. The movies I watched, the things I did, what I drank, the people I hung out with, and the conversations I had were all subject to scrutiny and gossip. I remember reading BMac's first book in secret, and talking to only one person about it (besides my wife). That social pressure was unfortunately a major contributor to our moving to a larger town.

All to say, yes, Mike is on to something. I think rural folks might *prefer* to drive a ways from their homes, just to find some relative anonymity. But the lack of '3rd space' places to hang out is a huge challenge, too. And once you get back-- if your rural neighbors are like my rural neighbors used to be-- you're likely to be asked, "So where were you last night?"
I'm really sorry that I'm late to this conversation because this is something I think about often. I live in Dayton, Tennessee, home of the Scopes Monkey Trial of 1925, and one of the most conservative little towns in the country. Needless to say, it gets lonesome out here. I echo Mike's comment about the importance of books...For a lot of us, books are our only exposure to these new ideas, and blogs are our only way to interact with them.

(I wrote my own book, actually, which will be published by Zondervan in 2010...but enough of the shameless promotion.)

For me, the problem isn't so much logistics - I would be willing to drive an hour, meet in homes, meet at McDonald's, whatever - if I could just FIND other people. (Heard from anyone from Chattanooga, Mike?)

I like the idea of regional meetings, but honestly, one of the most helpful things for me would be to know if there are any churches in the area that are "emergent-friendly." My husband and I have really struggled to find a church that embraces emergent-type perspectives. Perhaps if there was some place on the site where one could do a search to see if any such churches come up - I'm guessing the information would be based on information from cohorts and the connections of the people running the site.

I guess determining what constitutes "emergent-friendly" might be a challenge...but even if we could just get plugged in to a church that has a small group or some members of a like mind, that would be a wonderful change.
Rachel, there are obviously too many Mikes around here... Not sure which one of us you're asking about Chattanooga, or why. But I do happen to have a bunch of friends and family in Chattavegas, so if you want some leads, find my blog, pretend to comment on something there, and I'll email you ;-) Hey Rachel, glad you came by. I don't know of anyone near you that have requested a cohort, but I'll try to let you know if we get a request.

As for churches, I'm actually currently working on my own personal google map of every emerging church that I'm aware of. It'll take me a while but I'll make it public once its close to being done. I agree that Emergent Village needs to have something like that too, we're actually discussing that right now on the Cohort Leaders Google Group. The thing is any church that is linked from the EV site would have to choose to be listed there, since there are a lot of churches that probably wouldn't want their name associated with EV. (My list, on the other hand, will be solely my own creation and not affiliated with EV, so I can put whoever I want on it :)

The only thing a quick google search turned in your area is this church in Chattanooga. Are you familiar with it? I don't know anything about it, but it looks vaguely "emerging".

Oh, and I just noticed that this United Methodist church in Chattanooga is hosting a conference with Brian McLaren & Tony Campolo in November. That would seem to indicate an openness to emergent type stuff.

Speaking of that, have you looked into more "liberal" mainline denomination churches in your area (e.g. United Methodist, Presbyterian Church-USA, Episcopalian, United Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, etc.)? They may be way different than you're used to if you're coming from an evangelical background, but you'll probably find a lot more of the theological openness you're looking for.

BTW, I'll look forward to reading your book when it comes out!
Thanks so much for the warm and helpful response. We have been going to an Episcopal Church in Chattanooga recently, and have been surprised by how many young "burned-out evangelicals" we have met there. That may end up being a good fit.

"Ethos" is associated with Church of God, and I've heard good things about First Centenary before, especially regarding its care for the poor in the community...great to know that McLaren and Campolo will be stopping by. Yay! Thanks for the heads-up.

A map would be great as well.

I really appreciate your interest in this subject, and I'm enjoying the site. Added Emerging Pensees to my Google Reader.

Other Mike - I'll check out your blog and try to post a comment sometime soon. :-)
To clarify what I was trying to express.

One thing I'd say is, if you live somewhere rural, and are accustomed to driving an hour or more to get to things, that's part of the "pros and cons" of living somewhere rural. Long travel times is a con, but it is out-balanced by some suite of pros which make it "worth it".

I -hate- long travel times, which is why I prefer city living to country living. There are a LOT of cons to city living. A LOT. But they aren't out-weighed by my hatred of travel times. So I expect/demand that things be close. Because having things nearby is -why- I live the way I live.

Also, at least in the case of the cohort in Chicago, it seems like there was no attempt to hold the meeting in anything remotely like "neutral territory". At one point there were sub-groups that were supposed to be north, south and west, but it seems only one thrived, and has kept its northern location. So it is less about specifically having to travel an hour, and more about having to travel and hour when most of the rest of the group may only have to walk down the block. If this is the only cohort in the third largest city in the country, having it in Wicker Park is not a great way to go about including people from all over the city because that is a particularly obnoxious neighborhood to reach. The train line there is under construction and the bus routes are over-crowded and slow. Spreading out the travel to everyone might actually grow the group faster by making it something people from all over the city feel like they can be a part of, instead of restricting it to (I'm going to say it) the hipsters who live in hipsterville, which as a total tangent, does nothing to help dispel the myth that emergence is about hipness.

Maybe it is because what I'm looking for is very particular. Maybe it is because I want something more regular than once a month. Maybe its just that I have really high expectations of what large cities can offer.

If I was enjoying the peace, quiet, solitude, and rhythmic life of living in the country, I wouldn't mind driving quite a distance once a week to spend time with people in valuable conversation. But if I'm going to put up with noise, light pollution, crowds, filth, and the rest, I want some convenience as a trade off and I have an assumption that there are enough people in a city of this size that it shouldn't be difficult to get it.

I simply refuse to believe I'm the only person south of Wacker who has any interest in these conversations in a city this big. But where's the network to tap into the find them? That's the question.

I'm moving to Houston and right now my mark is the only mark on the map for that entire region of the state of Texas. Can't possibly be right. There -was- a cohort in Houston. Where did they go? Why don't they answer email anymore? Their blog was active just two months ago.

This is what I'm trying to address more than just the question of "its too far". Its the question of "where is everyone?" The movement can't really be this small.
I really don't know Jim. I know if it's a matter of the movement being too small so much as everyone in it just being really busy. The conversations happen when and where there are people willing to put in the time and effort to make them happen. The up/rooted.city cohort is in "hipsterville", as you put it, because that's where the folks who were willing to do it were from. Same with the west group, same with north group. But a lot of groups only last for a little while because everyone in them has churches and jobs and families and is frankly just too busy living it to always organize opportunities to talk about it. I wish that weren't the case, but I'm not really sure what to do about it. At any rate, this map is just getting going, but my hope is that over time it will become more of a resource that can help out folks like yourself. Maybe I have a totally inflated sense of the size of the conversation. Maybe there genuinely is no one else on the entire south side of Chicago with any interest. But if that's the case, then it seems to me that the question of rural persons can hardly have a meaningful resolution, can it? If in a city of 3 million people with a population density of 12,000 every square mile that there are only enough of us to maintain one cohort in a decentralized neighborhood, in areas where you're measuring population density in terms of miles per person instead of persons per mile... oy. "Maybe I have a totally inflated sense of the size of the conversation."

I think that's very likely the case Jim. Honestly, while I think emergent ideas have had a wide (and still expanding) ripple effect, I don't think the number of actual, self-identified "emergents" (i.e. folks who would be interested in joining an Emergent Village cohort) is necessarily very large, even in a place like Chicago. But of course I think the former is a lot more important than the latter anyway (though I am still working to increase the latter as well).
Thanks to everyone for your participation in this conversation. Out of it has come a google map to help people connect with other emergents and existing communities near them, as well as a new online cohort, Emergent Outliers, for isolated and rural emergents. Check them out! Stuff White Christians Like For this reason, a great conspiracy exists among pastors and Zondervan (the Halliburton of Bible publishing) to keep a Bible that actually translates the original Hebrew and Greek into English from reaching the marketplace.Quite ironic, given the pre-Lutherian attempts to maintain the priestly class by keeping the Bible out of the vernacular. That's pretty funny. I liked the one about non-denominational churches.

Have you seen the "site stuff christians like"? It's also modeled after Stuff White People Like and it's been around longer than this one. He's up to over 500 posts now but his older ones were the funniest, IMO. If you check it out I'd start with the earlier posts.
oops, I put the quotation marks in the wrong place. The site is "stuff christians like."

http://stufffchristianslike.blogspot.com/
Thanks for posting a link to our site. I see you are a "follower of the way of Jesus" - so you should feel right at home on our blog.

We became aware of the other site after we had started our blog, but we were having too much fun to stop and I think our style is significantly different, so hopefully there's room for both.

http://www.stuffwhitechristianslike.com
I definitely think there's room for both sites. The more Christian sites with a sense of humor about the evangelical Christian subculture the better, as far as I'm concerned. We should take God and his commands seriously; we shouldn't take ourselves so seriously. Which Ultimate Sacrifice? Is a policeman who kills a criminal in the line of duty 'sacrificing his morality'?

Is a man who defends his wife or children (or an innocent bystander) by killing an attacker 'sacrificing his morality'?

Your holier-than-thou pronouncements of what is and isn't moral really need to be overhauled by the scripture.

In the Bible, when soldiers asked John the Baptist 'what should we do?', his answer was not 'you should not be a soldier'.

Christ Himself did not rebuke the soldiers with whom He interacted. In fact He congratulated one for his great faith.
In my opinion, a necessary evil is still evil. Just because taking a human life is sometimes necessary doesn't mean that it should ever be easy, nor that it doesn't leave a mark on one's psychological or spiritual well-being. BTW, anonymous comments are not really welcome here. If you want to post here again in the future, please have the courage to sign your post and/or provide a link to your own website or online profile. Thanks. Hey Mike: I really liked your post. Memorial Day is looking at the whole sacrifice a solider must face, and honoring his or her struggle; and in this light, praying for this solider as whole person, a child of God. Mike you capsulized the heart of the matter so well. And if I can, to Mike's friends reading this post, the video Mike speaks of that we watched in class was an episode from PBS' Frontline, titled A Soldier's Heart. Because of copyright laws, I'm hesitate to put the link from our class site as part of this post but it's well worth your time to rent it and view it.

So sorry Anonymous didn't understand what you were communicating.
Oh yeah I almost forgot: in honor of Memorial Day, yesterday a Presidential proclamation went out that at the localized time of noon, everyone was asked to take a moment to pray for Permanent Peace. Here's the link for the site in which I saw this, http://philosophyovercoffee.blogspot.com/2009/05/day-of-prayer-for-permanent-peace.html We like to honor veterans in superficial ways, but does anyone want to hear to hear them talk about the horrors of taking another human life, about what that did to them spiritually and personally?

I think you've hit on a real problem in our divided society. Those that would listen to this tend to be those who do not want to hear them also discuss their actions as honorable, necessary and something for which they are proud of (at the same time as being scarred by it).

Those who want to hear that latter message tend to be the ones who don't want to hear about the psychological damage done in war.

To be honest, I see more change and flexibility happening in the latter group than in the former.

But it is nice to hear someone someone talk about the sacrifice of killing in our names. Because you are right it is as much of a sacrifice as dying.
"Those that would listen to this tend to be those who do not want to hear them also discuss their actions as honorable, necessary and something for which they are proud of (at the same time as being scarred by it)."

In that same class we did talk about this aspect of serving in the military as well - that from a soldier's perspective it is often one of the most meaningful experiences of their lives - a time when they were part of a close-knit community engaged in something they felt was honorable and bigger than themselves that stretched them and tested them and helped them mature and grow. That side of it needs to be heard and respected.

However, we also talked about how unfortunate it is that in our society, the military really is one of the few places where young people can have that sort of positive experience. How sad is it that one of the few opportunities we provide for this sort of thing has to wrapped up in the business of violence, killing and destruction? That's why I'd personally love to see a lot more resources poured into programs like the Peace Corps and Americorps (and some extensive reforms of those programs to make them more purposeful and team-based). What if young people could gain all the positive benefits of being in the military while engaged in constructive, not destructive endeavors?
Easing Back Into Life I actually wrote a literary theory paper with this as its thesis in 2003. What a hoot! a prayer for order Wow...that's really lovely...thank you for sharing. I'm glad you got to take that class with Bill. A pretty good job of finding equivalent paraphrase for most of the concepts. But I think something is lost toward the end.

Debts/trespasses encompasses more than taking the well being of others. In other words, the author has taken a subset of debts/trespasses and substituted it for the whole concept. Same thing with the concept of "temptation." By listing one particular subcategory of temptation there is again a loss or reduction of meaning. I guess you could more positively call it a narrowing of focus. But to me, part of the beauty of the prayer is the all-encompassing breadth of its focus.
I don't think it was meant to be a "paraphrase". I think it was meant to be a poem loosely based on and inspired by the Lord's Prayer. For a poem "loosely based on and inspired by" the Lord's prayer, it has a pretty one-to-one equivalence and correspondence to each line/concept of the Lord's prayer. Stylistically it reads more like something out of The Message than like a "loosely based on" riff. But if you say so.

It's a nice prayer.
I say that based not on my own impressions, but on the description of it given by my professor who knows the author personally. In Anglican worship, we have in the prayer book a "collect for grace," a "collect for peace," a "collect for healing," etc. And various other prayers some of which cover multiple topics. As such a prayer for a particular purpose, I see the usefulness and beauty in this one.

But if intended to be (like the Lord's prayer) a catch-all or overarching prayer to use every day as if "that covers all the essential bases in at least a general manner" it seems to lack sufficient breadth, as would an evangelical prayer prayed every day in which we ask for protection against and forgiveness for specific subcategories of temptation and sin that conservative evangelicals are especially concerned to avoid, if such a prayer was prayed before the beginning of every gathering without variation. Maybe it wasn't intended to be used as a "that covers the bases" catch-all like the Lord's prayer, even though loosely based on it. If not, then great and none of the above really applies. Even if it was so intended I'm not conndemning the author or the prof who used it, just observing and commenting.
Yeah.... I'm so not liturgical. The whole idea of a "catch-all" prayer that would be inclusive enough to pray every single day just sounds crazy to me. I don't think such a thing could exist, nor can I fathom why I would want it to. I mean, the Lord's Prayer is nice and all, but I can't see it covering every single situation. I'm all about the diversity. Isn't that kind of what the Lord's Prayer is? Not that it was intended to be recited like a rote formula nor to suggest we only pray that way, in exclusion of more specific and varied prayers. But I have a hard time thinking of something specific that one would pray, that wouldn't also be covered by one or more of the broader categories mentioned in the Lord's Prayer.

As much as I like the idea of liturgical devotion, I rarely use the prayers in the Book of Common Prayer either, although many of them are beautiful. I have a few other books of written prayers, too. One Orthodox, one Puritan and one that draws from a bunch of different traditions. Plus at least a couple of Richard Foster's Renovare' books that contain many written prayers from varied traditions and centuries. As helpful as all of those and the Lord's Prayer itself can be, I still tend more toward variety and (most often) extemporaneous and specific prayer. Probably a result of my low church protestant upbringing.

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Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Why I'm a "Progressive"

I've gotten into a number of debates on Facebook recently, usually revolving around either healthcare reform, Obama's economic recovery policies, or some combination of the two. (BTW, Facebook debates are exceedingly annoying since they tend to take place in the comments of someone's status update, are limited in the number of characters you can type, and have no text editing capabilities... but I digress.) Anyhow, I don't intend to rehash the finer points of either of these issues here, but I did want to comment on an insight I had in the course of these debates - I think I finally figured out what being a "progressive" means to me.

(As a caveat - I should clarify that in this post I will be giving my own personal definition of "progressive, along with my personal definitions of "conservative" and "liberal". These may or may not line up with 1) historic, technical, or "official" definitions of any of these terms, or 2) your own personal definitions of them. I really don't care. I'm not talking about your definitions or the official definitions, so please don't overwhelm my blog with comments like: "That's not real conservativism" or "That's not how I define progressive" or whatever. This post is only about how I tend to understand the terms.)

I've been calling myself a "progressive" (politically speaking) for a while, but up till now I mainly meant it as a sort of vague contrast with "liberal", since 1) I don't necessarily line up perfectly with what is usually thought of as "liberal", and since 2) these days it's more often used as an epithet or an insult than as a meaningful description. Progressive seemed like a better alternative, both because it has less baggage, and because it connotes something forward looking, action-oriented, and optimistic.

It's that forward looking spirit that I realized really gives progressive politics their defining character. It is a reformist approach, one that sees the brokeness in the way things are now, both in the public (e.g. government) and private (e.g. corporate) sector, but is optimistic and proactive about fixing them and working towards a better world. Progressives don't see either one of these, public or private, as the sole cause of our problems, nor as the whole of the solution, but are interested in reforming both and using both as tools towards the goal of a more harmonious and just society.

This, according to my definitions, is the difference between progressives and both conservatives and liberals. Conservatives, to greatly oversimplify (and to focus primarily on the economically "libertarian" type conservatives who seem to have taken over the movement in the past couple of decades), are those who generally see the government as the "problem" and favor laissez-faire, "free market" solutions. Liberals, on the other hand, generally see the government as the solution to most of the problems created by the "free market" and corporate rapaciousness. Progressives, by contrast, see both the government and corporations as part of the problem, but also see them both as part of the solution. Progressives don't just want to scrap one in favor of the other, we want to overhaul the whole system, in all of its parts, from top to bottom. We don't just want more government or less government, we want better government (and better industry).

So, for instance, a liberal looks at our health care industry and says "private industry really made a mess of things, the government should fix it," and a conservative looks at the same mess and says "the government can't fix anything, it'll just make things worse". A progressive, however, says, "you're both right, the industry is a mess, and so is government, so let's fix both!" In other words, a progressive approach owns the mess, and the responsibility for cleaning it up, instead of trying to pass the buck onto whichever side they like least. A progressive tries to change the system instead of just complaining about the parts we don't like, since we realize that "the government" and "those capitalists" aren't some evil opponents out there somewhere. They are "us" (see, for instance, the first line of the Constituion, "We the people..."). We are all part of the system, and thus we all have a responsibility to try and change it for the better.

And it's an optimistic approach: it believes that we actually can change the system and make things better over the long term - that "progress" is possible - and thus encourages us to actually get involved both in the public/political sphere, as well as in our individual lives to produce change. It doesn't fall into the kind of fatalism I see all around me these days - the kind that says "nothing will ever really change, and you're too insignificant to make a difference, so don't even bother. Progressives were chanting Obama's slogan "Yes We Can!" before he ever came up with it, and we were quoting Gandhi's exhortation to "be the change you wish to see in the world", long before it became ubiquitous.

This optimism is not based on some blind faith or wishful thinking, nor even (for us progressive Christians) on some retrograde, post-millenial theology that says human effort is capable of ushering in the Kingdom of God all on its own. Instead it is based on the very simple and rather obvious fact that sweeping social change has happened many, many, many times before, and there's absolutely no reason we shouldn't expect it to happen again, and therefore no reason we shouldn't seek to play a part in shaping and directing that change. After all, just look how much has changed since the Revolutionary War, for instance, or since the original "Progressive Era" in America, or since the Civil Rights era, or since the Fall of the Soviet Union, etc... None of these changes happened magically. Real people fought and struggled and worked towards their visions of a better world, and they achieved some, if not all, of their dreams. There's no reason why we shouldn't do the same.

That's why I call myself a "progressive".

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Friday, July 10, 2009
BCE
If I could indulge in some random history geek stuff for a moment, I've just been reflecting on the terms historians currently use to replace the old Christian dating system. Of course most people are familiar with the designations BC (Before Christ) and AD (Anno Domini, i.e. "in the year of our Lord"). However, in academic writing one is generally expected to use the alternate terms BCE (Before the Common Era) and CE (Common Era).

On the whole I'm in favor of these alternatives. As a Christian it seems disrespectful and unloving towards other, non-Christian folks to simply expect them to adopt our way of looking at things. If one does not accept Jesus as Lord, then it is a falsehood for them to refer to this as the year of "our" Lord, and expecting them to do so feels rather imperialistic and arrogant. However, the irony, in my opinion, is that the designation "Common Era" doesn't actually solve the problem. It's still imperialistic to refer to the past 2000 years as a "common era" for anyone who is not actually a Christian. It's not shared in common by Muslims, for instance, or Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, animists, etc.

Personally I think it would be more accurate and least offensive for CE and BCE to simply refer to "the Christian Era" and "Before the Christian Era". After all, everyone already knows what is being referred to, regardless of what you call it. And the term "Christian Era" simply names it for what it is without implying that non-Christians have to necessarily identify themselves within it if they don't want to (after all, many other cultures and religions - Islam, Hinduism, China, Judaism - have their own way of counting the years). It wouldn't require a confession of faith like AD does, nor would it mean falsely claiming that all people hold this system in "common", when in fact many have been forced to adopt it as a result of Western imperialism, or simply out of convenience/necessity.
 
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Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Welcome to the Future
As an interesting counterpoint to the country song I mentioned in my previous post, I heard this newer one on the radio today:
"Welcome To The Future" by Brad Paisley

When I was ten years old,
I remember thinkin' how cool it would be,
when we were goin' on an eight hour drive,
if I could just watch T.V.

And I'd have given anything
to have my own PacMan game at home.
I used to have to get a ride down to the arcade;
Now I've got it on my phone.

He-e-ey...
Glory glory hallelujah.
Welcome to the future.

My grandpa was in World War II,
he fought against the Japanese.
He wrote a hundred letters to my grandma;
mailed em from his base in the Philippines.

I wish they could see this now,
where they say this change can go.
Cause I was on a video chat this morning
with a company in Tokyo.

He-e-ey...
Everyday is a revolution.
Welcome to the future.

He-e-ey...
Look around it's all so clear.
He-e-ey...
Wherever we would go and well we...
He-e-ey...
So many things I never thought I'd see...
happening right in front of me.

I had a friend in school,
running-back on a football team,
they burned a cross in his front yard
for asking out the home-coming queen.

I thought about him today,
everybody who's seen what he's seen,
from a woman on a bus
to a man with a dream.

He-e-ey...
Wake up Martin Luther.
Welcome to the future.
He-e-ey...
Glory glory hallelujah.
Welcome to the future.
One the one hand, it's good to know that not all country singers see our contemporary society as completely awful. On the other hand, the thrust of most of the song seems to be "hey, ain't all this newfangled technology cool?" Though I do appreciate the last verse, which, without directly referring to Obama (I doubt you could get away with that with a country/western audience) still points to how far we've come in race relations over the past couple of generations. And I suppose the middle verse, besides celebrating improved communication technologies, could also be seen as celebrating the fact that old enemies can now be friends and business partners in such a relatively short amount of time.

I'm not sure how I feel about how he uses religious language to celebrate these innovations and developments, however. On the one hand you can say that he's referencing the Christian eschatological vision of a world of peace and reconciliation. On the other hand, the technology references in conjunction with "Glory glory hallelujah" make it seem too much like he's worshipping human cleverness or looking towards some kind of techno-topia. But maybe I'm overthinking it too much.

Anyhow, I just thought it was an interesting contrast with the other song.
 
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Thursday, July 02, 2009
The Good Old Days?
I was flipping through the radio stations the other day and heard this song by the Judds on the country station. I remembered it from my high school days when I used to listen to country music all the time. Back then I really liked the lyrics and agreed with their message:
Grandpa, tell me 'bout the good old days
Sometimes it feels like this worlds gone crazy
Grandpa, take me back to yesterday
When the line between right and wrong
Didn't seem so hazy

Did lovers really fall in love to stay
And stand beside each other, come what may
Was a promise really something people kept
Not just something they would say
Did families really bow their heads to pray
Did daddies really never go away
Woah oh, grandpa, tell me 'bout the good old days

Grandpa, everything is changing fast
We call it progress, but I just don't know
And grandpa, Let's wander back into the past
And paint me the picture of long ago
This time, however, the song just got me thinking about all the misleading assumptions it was making. Don't get me wrong - while I generally think it's a good thing when families stay together and when they practice their faith together, there are still a number of problems with this song:

1) The "good old days" weren't actually that good. The idea that people in the past were less sinful than they are now is simply false, as anyone familiar with history or literature or social science (or Christian doctrine?) can attest. Nonetheless, this remains a common belief, and one that seems to occur in greater frequency the older one gets. This however, I believe, is an illusion created by the fact that, before the era of the 24-news cycle, our sins were more hidden and less public. But they were still there. Families still broke up. Husbands were abusive. Spouses cheated on each other. People were hateful and violent towards each other. There were murderers and rapists and pedophiles and drug abusers and all of that back in the "good old days" too, you just didn't hear about them everyday, all day on the news like we do now.

2) Even the things that actually were "better" back in the "good old days" often had a dark side to them. For instance, maybe there was less divorce, but that also meant that there were a lot more people (especially women) stuck in abusive relationships. And back in the "good old days" these women typically had no other choice since they were financially dependent on their husbands and literally could not survive on their own.

Likewise, perhaps there was a greater sense of religious unity back in the "good old days" (though in fact the long history of religious tensions in America say otherwise), but this also meant that minority groups (e.g. Jews, atheists, Catholics, Mormons, etc.) often faced serious persecution and discrimination. Those aren't the kind of "good old days" I want to return to.

Not to mention all the other evils of the past that actually have gotten a lot better in recent years. The Judds are skeptical about whether our society is actually progressing, but I wonder if they would really want to go back to the days of Jim Crow laws, of patriarchy and unequal rights for women, or when people were shunned by their communities, churches, and families for getting divorced or having a baby out of wedlock, or when it was a crime to be gay (okay, I guess there are still a lot of Christians would would like to reinstate that last one)? Yes, many things in our society have gotten worse, but a whole lot of things have gotten better too. And some of the improvements probably necessarily come at the expense of other good things - for instance, we can't show more love and grace towards divorcees or unwed mothers without also thereby making it "easier" (i.e. less stigmatizing, less traumatic) for people to get divorced or get pregnant out of wedlock.

At any rate, before we blindly accept the assumptions of a song like this, or the next time we're inclined to rant about the immorality of "kids these days", maybe we should think a little more carefully and ask ourselves whether our assumptions are really accurate. IMHO, the "good old days" weren't necessarily that good, and these days aren't necessarily quite as bad as a lot of people make them out to be either.
 
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Monday, June 29, 2009
Emergent Ouliers Virtual Cohort
A few weeks ago I started a conversation about what to do for emergent folks in rural areas - people who want to be part of the emerging conversation but might not be able to find other emergent folks in their area. A lot of good idea came out of this discussion, including a new google map intended to help connect folks to one another and to existing groups. Another project that has emerged is a new online cohort called "Emergent Ouliers".

Started by Gideon Addington, Blake Huggins, Matt Scott, and Drew Tatusko, the site describes itself as:
...all about bringing together all of us wayward Emerging Church enthusiasts who don’t have a cohort, would like a more active community. Currently, this will be centered in an online Theology Book Club (starting this month with John Caputo’s On Religion) with video chats for meetings. We’ll also be sharing some writing and trying to get the conversation moving. This is not an alternative or competitor with Emergent Village, of course – but rather a central hub for those of us who do not have ‘real life’ Emergent communities of our own.
If you're in need of something like this, I hope you'll join in.

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009
My Facebook Profile
So Facebook just switched to having their shorter profile usernames, so I figured it'd be a good time to post that here for anyone who might want to "friend" me there. Just go to http://www.facebook.com/mike.clawson1.

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Saturday, June 20, 2009
Articles by Julie
Between German Reading class, driving to Baton Rouge last weekend for a wedding, working on Emergent Village stuff, and watching the kids so Julie can get her work done, I've not had any time to blog lately. Julie, however, has several great articles out recently. Check out the following:

Daddy's Girls at Sojourners' God's Politics blog.

Weddings, Women and Traditions at Emerging Women.

Review of Will Samson's Enough at Next-Wave Ezine.

Update - Julie has a new post up at Emerging Parents that asks a great question: what should young people do when honoring their parents conflicts with pursuing their faith?

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Monday, June 08, 2009
Where In the World is the Church Emerging?
Even as debate erupts across the blogosphere about whether Emergent is fizzling as a movement, those of us still committed to the friendships and ideas we've found here are going ahead with ideas for how to keep the ball rolling and continue to get more and more people connected with the conversation. A few days ago I posted a question here at my blog and at the Emergent Village Cohort Leaders Google Group about what Emergent Village could do to help emergent-leaning folks in rural areas get connected with one another and with the broader emerging conversation, whether through cohorts or other means. The ensuing discussion was very productive, and has resulted in a project to create a comprehensive google map of what's going on in the Emergent Village world.

In keeping with Emergent Village's desire to be a network of emerging people and communities, the goal with this map will be to create a resource to help network folks with what is going on in their own local area, or help them start something new if there isn't anything already. This will include existing cohorts, as well as any "emerging churches" who don't mind being listed on the Emergent Village website.* The map will also include individuals who are interested in being a part of a cohort, but don't currently have one near them. Our hope is that as more people add themselves to this map, it will become a lot easier for them to find one another and start new cohorts.

We've decided to start by open-sourcing this map, basically letting anyone and everyone who wants to add themselves or their faith community - no gatekeepers or approval system, though those of us in the cohort network will help make sure it stays free of trolls. We'll start passing the link to the map around through blogs/Twitter/Facebook, etc. (that's where you come in :) and inviting folks to add their churches and cohorts (or themselves if they're not yet part of one and want to be). Hopefully it will snowball, and in a few weeks or months we'll have a thorough and exciting map of what is going on and where. How cool will it be to be able to see just how much this conversation has grown in the past decade!

So here's the link again. I hope you'll help us create this thing!


*Of course we realize that there may be emerging ministries out there who do not wish to be "affiliated" with Emergent Village in any official way, for any variety of reasons, even if just on a google map. Nonetheless, those of us in the Emergent Village are happy to partner with any faith community that doesn't mind calling itself a "friend of Emergent Village," and hope that many communities will choose to add themselves to our map.

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Thursday, June 04, 2009
Has Emergent Failed?
Good conversation happening over at Nick Fiedler's blog (of the Nick & Josh Podcast and a forthcoming book from IVP) about his disappointment that the "Emergent" movement (by which he primarily seems to be referring to Emergent Village) seems to have fizzled and hasn't produced the sweeping change in the church he was hoping for. This is in a long line of recent "death of Emergent" declarations all over the blogosphere, though this is by far one of the better, more thoughtful, and heartfelt ones by someone who isn't dancing on its grave or congratulating themselves for being a "hipper-than-thou" post-Emergent. Nick genuinely wants the movement to succeeded and is disappointed that it doesn't seem to be.

Makeesha Fisher has an absolute great response to Nick's concerns, and rather than rehashing everything she said, I'll just direct you there and to her follow up comments there and at Nick's blog. Her main points basically come down to a few things:

1) It was never about just Emergent Village in the first place. Nevertheless, don't count EV out just yet. It is in transition but good things are in the works.

2) If you don't think the revolution is happening fast enough, get in there and get to work, because the "emerging movement" is not some group of leaders, speakers, or authors. It is us.

I'd give a hearty "hear, hear", and also add just a few more points of my own:

3) There is actually a lot more that has been accomplished in the past decade than you might think. Emergent Village might not get direct credit for it per se, but the ripples that started from the rock they threw into the pond have already spread far and wide and taken many different forms.

4) A lot of the folks declaring the "death of Emergent" are themselves emergent types (including Nick). But the emerging church doesn't go away just because you don't want to call yourself that anymore, and you don't stop being what you are just because you take down your "Friend of Emergent Village" blog button. Emergent Village could disappear tomorrow and the ideas, passions, relationships, and communities that it has inspired and participated in would continue to exist. In the end it doesn't matter if people declare the end of Emergent or not, because it is already happening and will continue to happen all around them whether they like it or not.

Update:
This conversation has exploded in the blogosphere. You can read some more responses from Tony (I want to especially recommend this one - Tony gives a very good response), Julie, Jonathan, Josh, Drew (Part 1 and Part 2), Makeesha (part 2), Jonny, Matt, Jim, Jules, John, Paul, Andrew, and Carol.

One more thought too. It kind of sucks that so many people are wanting to pull the plug on Emergent Village right when so many women and minorities are just stepping up into leadership (e.g. the recent DC gathering). The big white males that these folks have been complaining about so much are stepping aside/making room for these others, and that's when they all decide to leave the party? Kind of ironic, don't you think?

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Friday, May 29, 2009
What to do about Rural Emergents?
So I've been responding to a lot of requests for new Emergent Village cohorts lately. (I'm on the Emergent Village Cohorts Team, and whenever someone fills out the request more info form on the EV site I'm one of the ones it comes to - we average at least one or two a week, sometimes more.) The problem is that a lot of them are coming from folks in very small towns and rural areas. Often they are the only "emergent" person they know of in their whole area, and frankly, there's a good chance they actually ARE the only emergent person in their whole area. I send them the information about how to start a cohort anyway, but, as one of them was kind enough to point out to me, our advice works a lot better for folks who are in urban or suburban areas (where there are coffee shops to hang out at, local colleges to advertise at, and a wide diversity of churches to draw from) than it does for rural, small town folks.

So that's my question: what can we (i.e. Emergent Village folks, and those of us on the cohorts team especially) do about that? What can we do for folks who are desperate to join the emerging church conversation, but are in very isolated areas where they don't just feel like the only crazy one out there, they most likely are the only crazy one out there, at least in an hour driving radius?

- Are cohorts still the best structure for these folks?
- If yes, how do we help them find others in their areas to start these cohorts with?
- If no, what other kinds of structures could we create that would help rural emergents plug into the emerging conversation?

Any ideas?

Update (6/29): Out of this conversation over the past few weeks has come a google map to help people connect with other emergents and existing communities near them, as well as a new online cohort, Emergent Outliers, for isolated and rural emergents. Check them out!

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009
Stuff White Christians Like
This site is pretty funny (riffing off of the "Stuff White People Like" blog), though it really ought to be titled "Stuff White Middle-Class Contemporary Evangelical Christians Like". Anyhow, here are a few of my favorites:

#5 One Hour Church Services
The only acceptable reasons for going over the one hour allotted are communion and multiple baptisms (a single baptism is expected to replace either a praise song or one out of the three points of the sermon), and even then it better not be more than 15 minutes. White Christians will allow the Spirit to move them to clap or sway slightly during praise and worship, but they prefer that the Spirit does not move them to sing any additional, unscheduled songs.

#9 Breaking Scripture Down into the Original Hebrew or Greek
White Christian pastors, ever eager to prove that they went to seminary, like to break down scripture into the original Hebrew or Greek. While the congregation marvels over the accurate pronunciation (they assume) of words like "rhua" and "metanoia," the pastor proceeds to translate these foreign words into English. Inevitably the congregation comes to a new and profound understanding of the passage, which ingratiates them to the pastor. For this reason, a great conspiracy exists among pastors and Zondervan (the Halliburton of Bible publishing) to keep a Bible that actually translates the original Hebrew and Greek into English from reaching the marketplace. Zondervan will go to great lengths to maintain the dominant status of its New International Version. The NIV, although it is in English, apparently is sort of like Cliff Notes for the real thing, necessitating further translation by the exegetically superior from the pulpit. Pastors that begin to raise a fuss are immediately offered book deals (e.g. Rob Bell, Rick Warren) in exchange for their silence.

#12 Waxing Nostalgic about Hymnals and Organs
Having moved from a traditional church service into the aforementioned contemporary worship, many white Christians fondly recall "the good old days" when organs and hymnals dominated worship experiences (even if these days were only 3 years ago). These Christians enjoy waxing nostalgic, but not to the point of actually wanting these items in their worship experience... In the mean time, praise and worship songs are PowerPointed to the marvel of all. Song lyrics will likely be on delay and slightly out of sync with the music because of the tech guy's inability to follow along, but to white Christians, this is a minor pittance to pay for the glory of digital text without music to read. Forget those old-fashioned "musical parts"- now everyone can sing the melody!

#13 Diversity
The only thing more highly valued in a white Christian church than visitors are minority visitors. As the deer pantheth for the water, the white Christian longs for diversity. Unfortunately, as much as white Christians want diversity, they are unable to achieve it. Part of the problem is that white Christians prefer their diversity candidates to dress like them, talk like them, like the same style of worship as them, and, ideally, to have attended the same Christian college as them. In short, the average white Christian church wants to attract white Christians who are not white.

#14 Potlucks
White Christian children all know that potlucks represent their eating something other than their mother's cooking, that the food will be far worse than their mom's food, and that they're going to be required to sample a lot of other family's crappy casseroles or "crap-eroles." White Christian children are encouraged to "just try it," knowing full well, that with the author of this devil-dish watching their every gag reflex, there's no praying themselves out of this dining purgatory.

#15 White Jesus
White Christians are quite familiar with the Bible (well, the New Testament anyway). Based on careful analysis of the Gospels, all white Christians have come to the conclusion that, without a doubt, Jesus was white. Despite rumors of Middle Eastern ancestry, our Savior is always depicted as having white skin, angular features, long brown hair, and piercing blue eyes... White Christians effortlessly counter claims of an olive-skinned Jesus with historical evidence of their own: Arthur Maxwell's The Bible Story and the Hanna-Barbera video series "The Greatest Adventure Stories From the Bible" clearly show that not only was Jesus white, but so was every other person mentioned in the Bible.

#19 Calling Themselves Followers of Jesus
"Christian" seems very non-inclusive in this day and age and the likes of Jimmy Carter and Jerry Falwell have poisoned the "born again" well - leaving "follower of Jesus" as the only viable option for the white Christian. Being a follower of Jesus automatically distances the white Christian from all of the unpleasant perceptions about white Christians. The follower of Jesus no longer has to apologize for the Crusades, "Bible-belt people", or the passages in the Bible non-Christians find distasteful.

#25 Retreats
It should be no surprise that white Christians like retreats- they combine the outdoors (known to white Christians as "creation"), "getting away from it all," and the opportunity to dabble in different worship experiences (prayer vigils, raising hands, publicly crying, etc.) that would never be attempted in regular white Christian society.

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Monday, May 25, 2009
Which Ultimate Sacrifice?
As some of the comments on Julie's Memorial Day post show, it can be dangerous to try to post about a war-related holiday if one is not unreservedly, 100% pro-war and pro-military. Nonetheless, I just wanted to throw out a quick reflection based on a discussion I had recently in my Educating for Peace and Justice class at seminary in honor of Memorial Day. For one particular class session we read, viewed and listened to several items that discussed the psychological and spiritual effect war has on those in the military. It is common to refer to death in combat as "making the ultimate sacrifice", but Stanley Hauerwas (among others) points out that willingly dying on behalf of others, while certainly noble, is not the only sacrifice that our culture asks our soldiers to make. Hauerwas points out that from a spiritual and human standpoint, we should also consider the sacrifice of being asked to kill another human being.

It's one thing to be willing to die for a cause. It's quite another thing to be willing to kill for it. Any taking of human life, no matter how necessary or how justified by some "greater good" (if indeed such justification is possible), nonetheless takes a spiritual and psychological toll on the killer. To kill another child of God, to end the life of a person who is just as loved and valued and spiritually significant as oneself, leaves a mark on the human soul. Certainly it is huge thing to ask our service men and women to potentially die for us, but asking them to kill for us is huge too. We are asking them to sacrifice their morality (the part that tells us that no matter the circumstances, killing is still an evil) and a piece of their humanity.

One of saddest things we discovered is that many veterans return from combat unable to really talk about what they experienced - especially the difficult, traumatic choices they had to make to take another human life. Our culture welcomes soldiers home as heroes, and acclaims them as brave and strong and praiseworthy, but we don't seem to want to hear about those who come home broken and hurting and agonized over the choices they had to make and the things they had to do while in combat. There isn't much communal (or government) support for those who need help processing what they went through and what they had to do. We like to honor veterans in superficial ways, but does anyone want to hear to hear them talk about the horrors of taking another human life, about what that did to them spiritually and personally?

One program that is doing good work to reintegrate veterans into civilian society and help them deal with their experiences is the Beyond the Yellow Ribbon program started by Major John Morris. You can hear an interview with him at NPR's Speaking of Faith website. And this Memorial Day, while we honor the soldiers that have made one kind of ultimate sacrifice, lets also remember the veterans still among us who have been asked to make an equally signficant one, and who may still need permission to talk about what they saw and did, and perhaps even some assistance in the healing of their souls.
 
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Sunday, May 24, 2009
Easing Back Into Life
Due to an exceptionally busy semester (I had one more class than normal, which means that not only did I have more homework, but a big chunk of time I would have spent doing homework was instead spent in class), I've not been able to keep up with much blogging. These past two weeks especially I've not had any time for anything but finishing up final papers and tests (over 75 pages of writing!) Now that I'm done though, I hope to have more time to blog. After all the writing I did the past few weeks though, I'm going to have to ease back into it. My brain's tapped out for a little bit. :) I need to spend some time just getting back into the rest of my life, and getting some stuff done around the house.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009
"Post-modernity is about announcing the doctrine of the fall to arrogant modernity"
~N.T. Wright
 
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Wednesday, May 13, 2009
a prayer for order
This prayer is from the book out walking by John Leax. This is the prayer we began our Nature class with every session. I thought it'd be appropriate to put up here as I work on the final paper for the class. Plus I really like it. It's an interesting spin on the Lord's Prayer that helps me see its meaning in a whole new light.


Mother of all creatures,
whose dwelling extends beyond this world,
let no one trivialize your being.
Let your order prevail.
Let your intentions come to be
for creation and for yourself.
Give us, each day, no more than we need,
and forgive us when we take for ourselves
the well being of others,
as we forgive others who seek to take ours.
Lead us away from our dreams of power
that we might be whole,
satisfied in you.
 
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