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Name: Mike Clawson
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About me: A follower of the way of Christ, a "postmodern" Christian, an amateur theologian/ philosopher, a husband, a father, a student, a friend...
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A Phantom Limb You're in Texas? Funny, in my mind I still think you are in the house in Yorkville! ;) (At least until I'm driving out there and then it really hits me you are gone....)
Thanksgiving will be hard this year....
We miss you too. I know I haven't found any replacement limbs, maybe some that could be compared to fake plastic ones. That fit where the limbs were, but sure don't look/move/think/feel like the original limbs.

I REALLY miss Via Christus.

~April
I agree with what April said. I most definitely haven't found any replacement limbs. I haven't really found much of anything since you guys left, not even any "fake replacements", because you guys were all such a big part of my life for the last several years while everyone was here..... Agreeing to Disagree Farewell to Via Christus Wow Mike, a chapter closing and a new one opening. You did a good job! Much peace and grace to you and Julie. We hope to meet somewhere again. Let us know if you are ever in Seattle. Mike, I live in Texas, and so only know of your efforts through this blog. That being said, I sincerely try and use much of your attitude and that of Via Christus in planning for a service I work through here.

Your church--the people who were involved with Via Christus--is a vibrant, spirit-filled group of believers most of us can only wish we were a part of. Thanks to you and to Julie for facilitating such a discussion of Truth; I know that something of Via Christus will follow you wherever you land.

Blessings to you!
Wow. I've been wondering where I could find a Christian community like this. Yesterday, I "stumbled" upon a book called "We the Purple", and by "chance" flipped to the page with Mr. Clawson's testimony. I saw "Yorkville", and I got excited, as I am not far.

Now, from a Google search, I find that it closed mere weeks ago. :(
I'm very sorry to hear that Rachel. Where are you located exactly? I may be able to point you to another church nearby with a similar philosophy to Via Christus. I'd also encourage you to check out the up/rooted Emergent cohort at www.up-rooted.com. They are communities of friends that meet monthly all over the Chicagoland area to talk about life, theology, ministry, and social justice. Mike,

Good luck on your new endeavors. I remember when we shut the doors down on our pioneering effort (back in 2000) for similar reasons. We had a great group of folks and value the time we all spent together. Overall, we look back on this with fond memories and I believe most of the folks do also.

Paul
Back from the Castle Hey Mike,
Can you email me a full size of this picture? Thanks!
Hi Mike -

As I emailed you also, I've been through this and know some of what you're feeling. My prayers are with each of you, that God directs you in the days ahead!
I hope you are able to find a supportive community in your new home, and that the people of your present community are able to find new faith communities where they can flourish.

I wasn't sure where to put this, but a recent John Stackhouse blog post on epistemology reminded me of some of the discussions I've had with you, Mike, on the subject. I thought you might appreciate some of what he says.

http://stackblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/im-certain-that-there-are-two-kinds-of-certainty/#more-131

This would be the point in the conversation where I'd cite Stackhouse as an example of reasonable evangelicalism - the evangelicalism I still at least somewhat identify with - and you'd remind me that Stackhouse isn't representative of typical conservative evangelicals.
The Kids of Via Christus What a great shot! hey mike. I have seen some of your comments from friendly atheist and you talk about there are certain passages in the Bible that are not suppose to be taken literally. How do you figure which parts can and which ones cannot? Is this a slippery slope that could then lead to rejecting the Bible and Christianity altogether?
PS your kids are adorable.
It's pretty simple actually Kristina. It's just a matter of understanding things like literary genre and historical context. The Bible ought to be read as it was intended to be read - not by imposing the exact same "literal" interpretive scheme to every bit of it, but by reading it according to the kind of literature it is. So if it's poetry, then read it like poetry, and if it's history, then read it according to the historical conventions of that day, and likewise with all the various genres of scripture - letter, biography, apocalypse, mythic narrative, proverb, prophecy, genealogy, etc.

The point is to approach the Bible humbly and realize that what we think it means, reading it through our 21st century American lenses, is not necessarily what it actually meant to the 1st century AD (or 5th or 10th or 14th century BC) Ancient Near Eastern readers it was originally written to.

I've also said more about how to read the bible in this post here.
A Greener Yorkville Mike - good stuff. Are we making a difference? Spoken out against homophobia on college campuses (and been arrested for it).

Impressive :) How did that come about? Did you help Soulforce out or something?
One of our members left to go on the Soulforce bus. I really enjoy reading about your church...especially all the community projects you are involved in. This has always been a passion of mine.

Do you find that most people in your church agree when it comes to world issues and politics. You mentioned your church supporting anti-war demonstrations. Does your church take a stance against the war policies and encourage this? In our church (and previous churches we've been the last few years) church members including the pastors have been all over the map when it comes to issues like the war, homosexual marriage, and sometimes environmental issues. At Fruitport my pastor was a strong democrat. He chose not to preach this from the pulpit (though there were times he wanted to), but participated in anti-war demonstrations on his own personal time (as did some other church members not as a church event). How do mix politics in with your churches ministry? What would you do if a conservative person who loves Bush and supports the war came to your church and was offended?

We encourage people to vote, take care of the environment, pray for the troops etc. in our church. We don't tend to support political events (with maybe the exception of a Right to Life rally or supporting pregnancy resource centers) as a church. We've had healthy discussions with people about these type of issues outside of our worship services so I wouldn't say we're just silent and ignore them.

Just curious to what your thoughts are.
As someone who is at the veryest beginning of a church plant I can say that I really admire this.

Of course you are right on about mission: it is after all a verb!

It's OK to not have a messiah complex after all, we already have a messiah
Hey Amy,

I was invited by some friends outside of the church to pray at the anti-war vigil and I let a few other people in church know about it. We didn't announce it from the pulpit, but I wouldn't have hesitated to.

We talk about political issues, but usually just in the context of the gospel message. I am preaching my way through Luke and it's impossible to teach what Jesus taught (about peace, about forgiving debts, about championing the oppressed, about loving enemies, about gender equality, about including the outsider, etc.) without getting a little bit political. We rarely say "support this issue in this way", we just talk about what Jesus talked about and let people figure it out for themselves. We also give church members time in our gatherings to highlight missional issues and projects they are concerned about or involved with, so that is when issues of Fair Trade, debt relief, slavery, etc. have come up.

The other thing is that our church values diversity highly. We are constantly repeating that you don't have to agree with the pastor to be a part of Via Christus, and if someone says something during our discussions that you disagree with, you should feel free to speak up and express your point of view - and people do. We have a broad mix of opinions in our church. We have 6-Day Creationists and Theistic Evolutionists. We have hardcore libertarian/conservatives and we have progressive "liberals" like myself. We have people who absolutely think homosexuality is a sin, and those who think it is not. We are trying this experiment to see if it's possible to have a church where those differences are acknowledged and can coexist and no one feels pressured to conform. Our "essentials", the points that we agree on and unite us, are more basic and more important to us than these controversial issues.

And we talk about all of them in the context of love. So for instance when Brandy left on the Soulforce ride, we sent her off with prayers and blessings, acknowledging that while individuals in our congregation might disagree about whether homosexuality was a sin or not, we could all agree that the church needs to do a better job of loving homosexuals and that was what Brandy's ride was all about.

Anyhow, does that start to answer your question? :)
Mike, this is an impressive list of actions and activities. You know how focused on real world differences I am, and I'm quite blown away. You and your church community are a positive force and I wish you all the continuing good fortune you need to keep growing. This is a beautiful list! I am encouraged to know of all you and your church-mates are doing. May the Lord continue to stir your hears toward Love and grace.
-tatiana : )
New Church Website! Looks great! Kendall Environmental Coalition First Day in Our New Space Congratulations! Enjoy the space. and again thanks for the time Friday.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008
A Phantom Limb
It's been two and a half months since we left Illinois, and four months since Via Christus stopped meeting, and while I'm liking our life here in Austin so far, there are still times when I'm struck by a pang of sadness/nostalgia/melancholy when I think of Via Christus and the community of friends and "family" we left behind there. There are times, often when I'm not thinking about it at all, when suddenly I'll be struck with the thought that I don't get to see those people anymore. Or I'll be thinking of some idea and reflexively think "Oh, I should bring this up at Via Christus on Sunday," and then of course remember that I can't.

I was talking about this with Julie last night and compared it to the "phantom limb" phenomenon that amputees report. It's like having a limb that's been removed, and yet sometimes your brain still thinks it's there and responds as if it is. To then have to consciously remember that it's really not just makes the loss of it all that more acute and difficult to bear.

I guess the take home message of this post for any former Via Christus folk reading it is that I miss you guys and I miss our community. I hope y'all are doing well and are each finding, um, replacement limbs? to take the place of what we lost. I know that some of you are having more luck at that than others. Know that our prayers are with all of you.

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posted by Mike Clawson at 9:59 AM | Permalink | 3 comments
Tuesday, July 01, 2008
Agreeing to Disagree
This is another thing I'm going to miss about Via Christus. This was from the FAQ section of our website:

What is your church's stance on ___________? (abortion, homosexuality, speaking in tongues, Evolution, etc...)

We really don't like a litmus test approach to faith. Faith is a journey we take together, not an exclusive club where we all have to think and act the same. We are serious about being the kind of church where we can agree to disagree on difficult and controversial issues. At Via Christus you are likely to find people on every side of most issues, and we like it that way! This doesn't mean that you're not allowed to have strong opinions about an issue. Just the opposite in fact. Sharing our different perspectives and strong opinions is how we learn and grow together. But it does mean that we agree to put our value of love above all of our disagreements. There is no requirement that you have to agree with anyone else's opinion to be a part of Via Christus - just the requirement to love and respect and listen to everyone, despite their differing opinions. As our friend Jim Henderson has said, "It's more important to be kind than to be right."

This also doesn't mean that we have no beliefs, but we have deliberately chosen to keep our essential, core beliefs as simple and universal as possible. There is a core story to the Christian faith that all believers can agree on - beyond that there is plenty of room for diversity and disagreement. As the saying goes, "In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity (love)."

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posted by Mike Clawson at 7:46 PM | Permalink | 0 comments
Monday, June 30, 2008
Farewell to Via Christus

Yesterday was the last Sunday gathering for our now-defunct church plant, Via Christus Community Church, here in Yorkville, Illinois. We've spent the past three years trying to build a self-sustaining faith community here on the furthest edges of Chicagoland, and while we did succeed in creating a wonderful house church, we simply never grew past that size to a point where Julie and I could draw a livable salary and continue the work here. Our decision to pull the plug now rather than stick it out a while longer was mainly due to the fact that a large percentage of our regular attenders have also moved out of the area this summer, and others are likely moving soon. Rather than start over from square one, we realized that it was time to move on to other things.

However, I don't at all feel like this has ultimately been a failure. I am proud of the community we created and the life transformations that have occurred as a result - not to mention the impact we've had on the wider Yorkville community. We have lived up to our mission of "transforming people to transform the world". And I'm especially pleased at the unique kind of church that we've created together. We set out to be a different kind of church, and we were. Something I wrote for the Visitors section of our website captures well what was unique about Via Christus:

When we say Via Christus is probably like no other church you’ve visited before, we’re not kidding. Imagine a church where it doesn’t matter how you dress, what you look like, how you talk, whether you know the right beliefs or even how to “behave” in church. Imagine a church where you get to be part of creating the “sermon” – asking questions and sharing stories. Imagine a church where “worship” involves way more than just singing – it involves art, and imagination, and contemplation, and movement, and creativity, and much more. Imagine a church where you don’t just sit and absorb, you are invited into the experience.

And most importantly, imagine a church that cares more about how it is going out into the world to serve others on a daily basis, than about how to draw people into a once-a-week religious service.

We are very experiential and participatory as a church. However, as a new visitor, we will never put you on the spot or make you feel uncomfortable. You are welcome to simply come and observe – there’s never any pressure to participate beyond what you’re comfortable with. We want you to get to know us at your own pace.

For those who wonder if we are “traditional” or “contemporary” – the answer is yes… and so much more as well. We try to appreciate and incorporate good elements from the whole buffet of spiritual practices that have been handed down through the centuries of the Christian faith. Whether it’s ancient or postmodern, contemplative or charismatic, hymns or praise songs – we will embrace whatever is helpful for drawing us closer to God and each other.

So what should you expect? Expect a church that is open to trying new things (and old things). Expect a church where you have the opportunity to not just sit and listen but to actively engage. Expect a church that is friendly, fun (even silly at times), and laid-back, and yet challenging at the same time. Our goal is to transform lives and the whole world with God’s love, so expect to be changed (for the better we hope) by your time with us.


This is what Via Christus was. It's going to be hard for us to find another community that will replace this.

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posted by Mike Clawson at 3:12 PM | Permalink | 5 comments
Tuesday, May 20, 2008
Back from the Castle

We had our third and final Via Christus retreat at the Stronghold this weekend. This was the beginning of the end for our church, a final chance to be together as friends, look back at where God has brought us in the past few years and look forward to where he is leading each of us now. We will be meeting six more weeks for Sunday church gatherings, but from here on out our community begins to scatter and dwindle as many of our members move out of the area for various reasons.

It was a bittersweet time, a fun and relaxing experience, but also sad to think this part of our journey together is drawing to a close.

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posted by Mike Clawson at 12:43 PM | Permalink | 3 comments
Monday, January 14, 2008
The Kids of Via Christus

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posted by Mike Clawson at 12:22 AM | Permalink | 3 comments
Thursday, October 18, 2007
A Greener Yorkville
As an example of just one of the ways even a small church like our own is making a difference, one of our members, Jill Fleishman, was just appointed by the new Yorkville mayor, Valerie Burd, to chair a committee to help the city become more environmentally conscious. The citizens group will meet every other month and make recommendations to the City Council on earth-friendly policies. You can read about the creation of the group here.

Our church has been active in local environmental issues for over a year now, and we often talk together about our obligation to care for God's creation. We have hosted a Faith & Environment forum, helped the local environment coalition put on an Environment Fair, and educated our folks about what it means to be good stewards of God's gifts. This citizens groups is just one more way that our church, by way of Jill, is serving our community.

Way to go Jill!
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posted by Mike Clawson at 3:12 PM | Permalink | 1 comments
Tuesday, April 24, 2007
Are we making a difference?
As the pastor of a small church plant that is still struggling to get off the ground it can be easy to feel like we're not really making a difference in the world or in our community. And a lot of folks might say that we shouldn't expect to. Our goal should just be to get the church established and then worry about our mission in the world later. However, that's not how we look at the church. For us the church doesn't just have a mission (that we can get around to eventually), the church is a mission, we are God's redemptive agents in the world to act as catalysts for love and justice. If we are not out there making a difference from day one, then we might as well not exist.

So have we made any difference? As I started to reflect on the things we have been involved with just this past year I was surprised to realize how much we've done even as a brand new baby church. (Of course, this list is based on the premise that our church is wherever our people are, and serves through them, not always through formal church programs.) I don't offer this in a prideful "look at how great we are" way, but simply as an encouragement to our own folks to not get discouraged, as well as to others who think that you have to have big budgets and big congregations to make a difference.

This past year our church has:
  1. Fed the poor in our community.
  2. Begun a project to build schools, hospitals, and businesses in Haiti
  3. Helped with the recovery in New Orleans.
  4. Supported local anti-war vigils.
  5. Sponsored a conversation about the intersection of faith and immigration issues.
  6. Helped educate people about how to care for our environment (and why this is important from a faith perspective).
  7. Stood in the way of people wanting to pollute the rivers, land, and air in our county with a landfill and promoted positive alternatives. (Not to mention actually going out and picking up trash along the rivers ourselves.)
  8. Started to build bridges with the local Hispanic community.
  9. Worked for inter-denominational cooperation among local churches.
  10. Spoken out against homophobia on college campuses (and been arrested for it).
  11. Worked with disadvantaged kids in after-school programs.
  12. Served families and kids at a local camp/retreat center.
  13. Given financial assistance to individuals with serious immediate needs.
  14. Thrown parties for the poor and the mentally handicapped.
  15. Encouraged female empowerment within the church.
  16. Raised awareness about issues of Fair Trade, Third-World debt relief, modern slavery, extreme poverty, the global AIDS pandemic, and domestic abuse.

With many of these we didn't do it all ourselves (but who says we have to?), but instead partnered with other organizations and like-minded individuals in our area. Our contributions to some of these may have just been one small part, but that's okay. We don't have to have a Messiah complex and think that the solutions have to all come down to us. We don't need to be glory hounds or even get recognition for our part in any of this. We just need to do our part. I'm proud of my community thus far, because I think we are doing our part.

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posted by Mike Clawson at 10:50 AM | Permalink | 7 comments
Thursday, February 01, 2007
New Church Website!
We've finally redesigned and expanded our church website! Check it out at viachristus.org.

It's not completely "done" yet. There are still some formatting issues to be tweaked and content to be added, but even still, I think it's a lot better than our old site.



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posted by Mike Clawson at 4:22 PM | Permalink | 1 comments
Wednesday, January 31, 2007
Kendall Environmental Coalition
Our church has recently gotten involved with a local Environmental Coalition. This really fits with our desire to be missionally involved with our community, and especially related to issues of social justice like caring for God's creation. We've taken an active role and we're helping to plan several events coming up over the next two months. In particular, our church is kind of the spearhead for the Faith & Our Environment Forum on March 5. It's a follow up to the Faith & Immigration Forum we did back in October. We hope to do a number of similar "Faith & Politics" discussions over the next few years together in partnership with other area churches.

Below are all the Coalition events going on in the next few months. If you're in the area and any of this sounds interesting, you should come on out!

February 18, 2007
An Inconvenient Truth

Watch the movie that has sparked an important discussion about Global Warming and the future of humankind.

Time: 6:30 p.m.

Yorkville Congregational Church
409 Center Parkway
Yorkville, IL 60560
Contact: 553.5073 / 553.5188





March 5, 2007
Faith & Our Environment
Local pastors, scientists & activists share a discussion about caring for God's creation.

7:00 p.m. – 9:00 p.m.

Yorkville Congregational Church
409 Center PKWY
Yorkville, IL 60560
Contact: Mike Clawson 630.742.4062




March 24, 2007
Environmental Fair

- Building awareness of local recycling programs
- Teaching energy efficiency
- Exploring new technology
- Local recycling programs and you
- Cars and fuel for the future
- Children and families: tour the nature museum
- Electronics recycling drop-off


9:00 a.m. – 12:00 noon
Old Kendall Courthouse
110 W. Madison St.
Yorkville, IL 60560
Contact: Danielle 630.553.4111



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posted by Mike Clawson at 1:43 PM | Permalink | 0 comments
Sunday, January 14, 2007
First Day in Our New Space
Today was our first day in the new space for our church. Everything went really well. Setup didn't take long and wasn't stressful. The setting was comfortable. We had a good time and were able to utilize the extra room to do things like prayer stations. We had about 30 people come, some visitors, and some folks who had only been there a few times before. In all, it was a good start. There is potential to be creative in how we decorate and utilize the space, but for now we want to keep things simple.

Honestly, it felt good to be somewhere new. It felt like we were making progress. It felt like we finally had room to grow and could start gaining some real steam. I'm hoping that our mailer for the February 11th kick-off, followed by a few rounds of door hangers and a food drive in early-April will help the community gain more awareness of us over the next few months and start attracting new families. Now that we have room to grow I don't feel so ambivalent about encouraging the growth.

It's good to have a home!

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